Kerrydale Street-Transfer Window Thread. Summer 2024 Edition - Celtic Talk Only || WINDOW NOW OPEN. EVERYONE PANIC. (2024)

Tam86 wrote: ↑

11:50 PM - 1 day ago

grahamcl wrote: ↑

11:46 PM - 1 day ago

According to the article in the Scotsman recently, of the top 15 earners in Scottish football 2 were from Celtic and 13 from Rangers. All 13 Rangers players were on £20k/week or over.

So paying more doesn't equal success especially when it's on munters like Goldson and Tavpen.

There’s a HUGE correlation over time to suggest that it does.

There’s a reason that no one other than Celtic or a version of the huns have won a league title in Scotland for forty eff years and keep counting.

There’s a reason Man City came from relative obscurity to dominate the most lucrative league in the world.

jbj712 wrote: ↑

10:28 PM - 1 day ago

No harm to the guy but if he thinks anyone in Europe is going to pay him £35K a week he’s deluding himself.
We should be prepared to offer him £12-15K initially with the prospect of going higher depending upon games played and performances in those games.
For £35K p.w. I would be expecting someone who would be running games week week out up here and doing well in Europe and so far that’s not him.

He’s no “Deluding himself” if those figures are correct he already has a 3 year contract on £35k a week at Benfica.

He doesn’t need a contract elsewhere. That’s just shy of £5.5m he’s guaranteed in wages upto the age of 25 whether he kicks a ball again or not.

Why should he consider taking a 40-50% wage cut to come to Celtic? Anyone expecting him to do so is the one that’s deluded not the player.

Celticbhoy_07 wrote: ↑

5:29 AM - 1 day ago

jbj712 wrote: ↑

10:28 PM - 1 day ago

No harm to the guy but if he thinks anyone in Europe is going to pay him £35K a week he’s deluding himself.
We should be prepared to offer him £12-15K initially with the prospect of going higher depending upon games played and performances in those games.
For £35K p.w. I would be expecting someone who would be running games week week out up here and doing well in Europe and so far that’s not him.

He’s no “Deluding himself” if those figures are correct he already has a 3 year contract on £35k a week at Benfica.

He doesn’t need a contract elsewhere. That’s just shy of £5.5m he’s guaranteed in wages upto the age of 25 whether he kicks a ball again or not.

Why should he consider taking a 40-50% wage cut to come to Celtic? Anyone expecting him to do so is the one that’s deluded not the player.

There's no way he's currently on £35k pw at Benfica.

Hagi Bhoy wrote: ↑

5:34 AM - 1 day ago

Celticbhoy_07 wrote: ↑

5:29 AM - 1 day ago

He’s no “Deluding himself” if those figures are correct he already has a 3 year contract on £35k a week at Benfica.

He doesn’t need a contract elsewhere. That’s just shy of £5.5m he’s guaranteed in wages upto the age of 25 whether he kicks a ball again or not.

Why should he consider taking a 40-50% wage cut to come to Celtic? Anyone expecting him to do so is the one that’s deluded not the player.

There's no way he's currently on £35k pw at Benfica.

he is on 20k a week after tax in euros at benficaapparently
over 80k a year taxed at 48% in portrugal so could be possible

I think for Bernardo to come in wanting £30k plus a week after starting 12 games last season is mind boggling. He was anonymous at times in the season.

Come in on lower terms. Cement your place in the starting 11 and make a consistent contribution over the full season then demand the new contract and big wage.

There is a reason why we haggled over the £6m buy out. He has talent but he has a long way to go.

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If we aren't prepared to pay the wages for the guy who will take O'Rileys spot then we can forget paying for Idah, Miovski or finding a decent keeper.

The best we will end up with is Armstrong to replace Oriley on a free transfer with our mentality.

There's some Celtic fans who just don't have a clue about wages, it's been obvious for a few years now. They still think 30k a week is a big wage. It's 2024, look at global football and see how many quality players around Europe are on less than that. Incredibly few.

There's no reason our top earners should be on less than 50k a week. Multiple of them. If you're reading that and think "that's ridiculous, that's far too much ffs" then the financial reality of modern football has passed you by.

lepetitmerde wrote: ↑

6:44 AM - 1 day ago

If we aren't prepared to pay the wages for the guy who will take O'Rileys spot then we can forget paying for Idah, Miovski or finding a decent keeper.

The best we will end up with is Armstrong to replace Oriley on a free transfer with our mentality.

I would hope we have someone better than bernardo lined up to replace oriley

Gerinho67 wrote: ↑

6:58 AM - 1 day ago

lepetitmerde wrote: ↑

6:44 AM - 1 day ago

If we aren't prepared to pay the wages for the guy who will take O'Rileys spot then we can forget paying for Idah, Miovski or finding a decent keeper.

The best we will end up with is Armstrong to replace Oriley on a free transfer with our mentality.

I would hope we have someone better than bernardo lined up to replace oriley

Oddly enough I think we're going to try and keep O'Riley. We'll make the guts of £20mil selling the likes of Oh, Johnston, Lagerbielke other squad members. That's roughly what they'll want to spend. Getting over £30mil for MOR would see fans demand more spending and growing angry if we don't, and I just don't believe they have the appetite to want to be spending much this summer.

We might not think he's worth 35k per week. But all he needs is one other club to believe that and he'll get it.

I personally don't believe any football player is worth 25m, but that doesn't stop it being considered a bargain basem*nt price in certain leagues.

If we're not willing to accept the market value, we'll more often than not get below market quality. Now and again we'll find an undervalued gem, but most of the time we'll get what we pay for.

In summary, while I don't necessarily think Bernardo is a top of the wage bracket player, maybe the issue is the wage bracket.

I'm extremely dubious about that report.

I distinctly remember reading only a few weeks ago that Bernardo was on about £5k a week at Benfica.

Also, although I do think we should be breaking through our fairly paltry wage ceiling for players that are proven to be worthy of £40k+ a week, Bernardo has done little to suggest he's worth that. He's decent and had flashes of real ability, but is inconsistent and was often anonymous. There's a player there, but not one that worth being our top earner, not yet anyway.

Good player, not a £35k a week player, if it is the case. Do find it dubious he would be on that, given he is essentially to Benfica what someone like Turnbull would have been to us last season in terms of profile and importance.

As always, I'll only start passing judgement when we get the first couple in the door. Think whoever they are will set the tone for what lies ahead.

Still at the stage where there's no point getting frustrated or annoyed till we actually see some movement. Anything before that is just getting yourself het up based off of past experience rather than the here and now.

Kitson wrote: ↑

10:58 PM - 1 day ago

Eamon The Celt wrote: ↑

10:28 PM - 1 day ago

€20 k a week after tax is around 35 k a week sterling? How did you arrive at that sum?

€20k a week = £16,927 a week

In order to take home that amount after tax, you need to earn £33,509 a week

So yeah, his sums are pretty close

Fine. If that’s his wage demands then that’s it. Since when have we started going on about post tax and pre tax. If it’s true that his salary is already the equivalent of approximately 35k a week with Benfica then Celtic either pay it or match it or they won’t get the player.

There are plenty of guys that get linked to us who are already on wages well in excess of £35k a week. That’s pretty much a baseline wage for the quality of player we want I’d imagine, but as usual with Celtic the club will try to do it on the cheap. Somehow no one there has worked out that a player who’s able to demand that sort of wage is likely to be better than three players who can demand a third of that amount.

It would be understandable if we were talking about spending money we couldn’t afford to spend, but we aren’t. If you want better players then you’re better off paying the going rate for them, rather than spending less and hoping you’ve unearthed a bargain (but obviously you wouldn’t do anything crazy like invest in the best scouting and training setups to maximise the chances of that plan working either).

CelticMurph93 wrote: ↑

7:02 AM - 1 day ago

Gerinho67 wrote: ↑

6:58 AM - 1 day ago

I would hope we have someone better than bernardo lined up to replace oriley

Oddly enough I think we're going to try and keep O'Riley. We'll make the guts of £20mil selling the likes of Oh, Johnston, Lagerbielke other squad members. That's roughly what they'll want to spend. Getting over £30mil for MOR would see fans demand more spending and growing angry if we don't, and I just don't believe they have the appetite to want to be spending much this summer.

If athletico madrid, inter milan or the likes come in for O’riley, he will be gone. No doubt about it. The player would rightly be absolutely furious if celtic denied him that opportunity. Aside from that, its our model. Sell our biggest assets.

Oriley will be sold. Lets just hope his replacement is to the standard we need for Europe.